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. >> i know you've had some tough things to say about congressman peter king, for example. his comments about the pledge. but look specifically to his point. some things do change over the years, the economic problems, for example, that we may have had 20 years ago, 40 years ago, they're different than the economic problems right now. so don't different problems call for different solutions? >> well, what was odd about peter king's comment was look, tax increases slow economic growth. tax increases take resources out of the real economy and allow the government to grow and grow. that's always a bad idea. that's not a good idea some years and a bad idea others. leeches, doctors don't put leeches on people ever, it's wrong. don't do it. it doesn't make people stronger. raising taxes, taking money out of the economy, damages the economy, kills jobs, reduces opportunities. >> you know, the latest cnn polls that just came out this week say you're wrong. two of three americans, including a majority of republicans, say the fiscal cliff should be addressed with a mix, a mix of spen
. >> i know you've had some tough things to say about congressman peter king, for example. his comments about the pledge. but look specifically to his point. some things do change over the years, the economic problems, for example, that we may have had 20 years ago, 40 years ago, they're different than the economic problems right now. so don't different problems call for different solutions? >> well, what was odd about peter king's comment was look, tax increases slow economic...
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king who made a pledge 25 years ago. times have changed. have you two wars that are not funded. have you a medicare prescription drug plan that a lot of these republicans voted for, not funded. you have a deficit thattic vides a trillion -- that exceeds a trillion dollars. i don't think any republicans will say what the hell let's just raise taxes because barack obama says so. neil: they are running with tails between leg. >> look at the electeds. >> look, bottom line, i don't like pledges of any kind, you have to be pragmatic in washington both sides, democrats should not make pledges either, they need to come to the table. neil: you don't have to worry, they will not. what is going on on the whole tax thing, and whole norquist thing? main were saying that -- today saying, that this is really about the imploying of grover norquist, he took afence to that in my interview earlier, but that is what is going on, probably more more than that, what do you say? >> first, i ca i have to addrest julie said, almost someone who li
king who made a pledge 25 years ago. times have changed. have you two wars that are not funded. have you a medicare prescription drug plan that a lot of these republicans voted for, not funded. you have a deficit thattic vides a trillion -- that exceeds a trillion dollars. i don't think any republicans will say what the hell let's just raise taxes because barack obama says so. neil: they are running with tails between leg. >> look at the electeds. >> look, bottom line, i don't like...
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(laughter) (cheers and applause) and folks, peter king is not alone. all of these republicans, this box of peach crayolas down here -- (laughter) all of them have v the balls to say they don't feel bound by the no tax increase pledge. what the hell is going on? here to tell me what the hell is going on, please well from "national review" and co-author of "brand new party, how republicans can win the working class and save the american dream" reihan salam. reihan, thank you very much. (applause) the book is called "the brand new party." let's talk about this grand new party. i don't understand, is this the end of an era? why has the republican party lost their spine? >> the truth is republicans are facing an incredibly difficult political environment and a really challenging fiscal environment as well and that's put a ton of pressure on adhering to the pledge. >> stephen: isn't grover norquist going to bring down the hammer on these guys come midterms? >> it's very hard to say because in some places-- for example south carolina and georgia-- that's very
(laughter) (cheers and applause) and folks, peter king is not alone. all of these republicans, this box of peach crayolas down here -- (laughter) all of them have v the balls to say they don't feel bound by the no tax increase pledge. what the hell is going on? here to tell me what the hell is going on, please well from "national review" and co-author of "brand new party, how republicans can win the working class and save the american dream" reihan salam. reihan, thank you...
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the pledge is not for life, but everybody who signed the pledge including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today. i hope his wife understands the commitments last a little longer than two years or something. the commitment from the pledge -- >> whoa, whoa. hang on. that was a bit below the belt, grover. >> if you think a commitment is not for as long as you make it for, the commitment for the pledge as peter king well knows when he signed it is that as long as you're in congress you won't rain in spending and reform government and rein is taxes. it's only as long as you're in the house or senate. if he stayed too long, that's his problem. you don't tell the bank, oh, the mortgage wasn't that a long time ago? if you make a commitment, you keep it. >> this pledge was first signed in 1986. >> by some people. of course, every two years people often re-sign it. they make statements on it. this is one of the people having doubts just two years ago made a public letter saying he would never support a deal that had any tax increases, only revenues s
the pledge is not for life, but everybody who signed the pledge including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today. i hope his wife understands the commitments last a little longer than two years or something. the commitment from the pledge -- >> whoa, whoa. hang on. that was a bit below the belt, grover. >> if you think a commitment is not for as long as you make it for, the commitment for the pledge as peter king well knows when he...
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peter king yesterday. >> i agree entirely, a pledge you signed 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1841 i would have signed the declaration of war against japan, but i'm not going to go to war against japan today. >> bill: now listen to his follow up. >> i think everybody should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases. i agree with trying to find the best practice. i have faith in john boehner. i think so far he has been pretty conciliatory in his language. >> bill: but no tax increases. also yesterday on one of the sunday shows on "this week." >> when you are $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming brief and republicans should put revenue on the table. we are this far in debt capping deductions will help generate revenue. >> bill: oh, there again, yeah. no new revenue, yes. but not raising taxes. lindsay graham goes on to something else that he throws out here. >> i agree with we shouldn't raise rates, but i think grover is wrong. what do you do with the money? buy down debt and cut rates
peter king yesterday. >> i agree entirely, a pledge you signed 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1841 i would have signed the declaration of war against japan, but i'm not going to go to war against japan today. >> bill: now listen to his follow up. >> i think everybody should be on the table. i myself am opposed to tax increases. i agree with trying to find the best practice. i have faith in john boehner. i think so far he has been pretty...
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republican congressman, peter king, responded. >> the fact he brought my wife into it. i don't think he has ever met me, certainly never met my wife. he better hope he doesn't. she will knock his head off. >> king also explained why norquist is wrong on substance. >> i did sign a pledge back in 1996, during the whole conflict with the clinton administration over the government shutdown. i was totally opposed to any tax increases at that time. but to say that a pledge on an issue like taxes would last for a lifetime is ridiculous. ronald reagan raised taxes a number of times because that's what he had to do to close the deal. >> when norquist started his anti-tax pledge, the deficit was $220 billion. now, it tops $1 trillion. this is a turning point for the gop or at least it could be. the other thing you need to know about is the money trail. in 2010, 66% of funding for americans for tax reform, norquist's group, came from two billionaire groups, according to an investigation by the nation magazine, karl rove's group, crossroads gps, gave $4 million. the center to prote
republican congressman, peter king, responded. >> the fact he brought my wife into it. i don't think he has ever met me, certainly never met my wife. he better hope he doesn't. she will knock his head off. >> king also explained why norquist is wrong on substance. >> i did sign a pledge back in 1996, during the whole conflict with the clinton administration over the government shutdown. i was totally opposed to any tax increases at that time. but to say that a pledge on an...
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peter king is also saying he's going to go against the pledge who agreed to it years and years and his reasoning that times have changed. here is the caviat . you are a republican and don't want to raise taxes and willing to compromise a bit, the democrats have to compromise with entitlement spending there. is a way here to find common ground and get away from the all or nothing pledges that the american public many of them were upset about the grid lock. >> brian: it is all symbolic. that brings 80 billion a year and would pay ian volving credit but it doesn't touch our deficit or balance our budget and the other thing that is important they have to get something in return. we'll put it up on the clinton rates and not touch medicare or medicaid? it is all part of the deal. >> gretchen: once you get people back to the table. it is it like a marriage, marriages don't work when one party said i will not budge on anything. >> brian: i hope my wife is listening. >> steve: we are in the let's make a deal stage. both sides want to appear flexibility when it comes to doing something. we aappa
peter king is also saying he's going to go against the pledge who agreed to it years and years and his reasoning that times have changed. here is the caviat . you are a republican and don't want to raise taxes and willing to compromise a bit, the democrats have to compromise with entitlement spending there. is a way here to find common ground and get away from the all or nothing pledges that the american public many of them were upset about the grid lock. >> brian: it is all symbolic....
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take a listen, sir. >> everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> so, mr. moran, air cording to mr. norquist, if peter king changes his mind in order to help the very people you just described that will thereby help the american economy, then he's more likely to commit adultery? is that what he's saying? >> his wife should be far more ashamed of peter if he were to let himself be bullied by this guy grover. i mean, grover seems to be a mild-tempered guy but he employs these bullying intimidation tactics. the republican party should say, look, i'm bigging than that, i answer to my quaeconstituents. who are you to tell me how i can best served the needs of this country. grover norquist couldn't get elected to anything, dog catcher even. yet he's out there intimidating all these folks that some of whom really want to do the right thing and now is the time when they have to do the right thing, when they ha
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>> preliminary lies that you -- >> stephanie: peter king yesterday said -- republican peter king said although she's done an effective job at the u.n., on this, she was wrong. he said if she set out there to speak to the american people about what happened on benghazi, she's obligated to look at more than three sentences on unclassified talking points because it was basically a cover story. no, it wasn't. it was the best information they had at the time. he insisted rice's position gives her access to classified information. it is an obligation not to just be a puppet. >> stephanie: she's supposed to improvise on classified information. >> just tell all of the classified information. there is a reason it is classified. >> stephanie: oh, is that the part i wasn't supposed to say to tick off al-qaeda? susan rice yesterday. >> i do think some of the statements you've made about me have been unfounded but i look forward to having the opportunity at the appropriate time to discuss all of this with him. >> it is not the policy! >> stephanie: she's not the problem. it is the president. so --
>> preliminary lies that you -- >> stephanie: peter king yesterday said -- republican peter king said although she's done an effective job at the u.n., on this, she was wrong. he said if she set out there to speak to the american people about what happened on benghazi, she's obligated to look at more than three sentences on unclassified talking points because it was basically a cover story. no, it wasn't. it was the best information they had at the time. he insisted rice's position...
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. >> everybody who signed the pledge including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today. >> new york sun? >> understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> oh, you're comparing your stupid little pledge to his marriage to his wife. oh, i see. what? all right you're really priceless, grover, grover, grover, grover. ♪ >> yeah, he he's going off the deep end getting personal like that. i'm for getting rid of p.b.s. if it gets rid of grover. >> stephanie: kids, what's fun in one word? soda stream, right? >> yeah. >> stephanie: fun! wow! there was a lot of annoying kids in that commercial. it's a new way to enjoy soda made at home in less than 30 seconds. right? it took a lot longer than that to get to the park off the transit. >> fun? that's what they said at that german zoo. >> stephanie: stop it. [buzzer] >> stephanie: it's the ultimate holiday gift. seriously, everybody loves it, moms dads, kids, teenagers. >> even kids with chicken pox. >> stephanie: kids that climb on rocks. stop with the childhood comm
. >> everybody who signed the pledge including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today. >> new york sun? >> understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> oh, you're comparing your stupid little pledge to his marriage to his wife. oh, i see. what? all right you're really priceless, grover, grover, grover, grover. ♪ >> yeah, he he's going off the deep end getting personal like that....
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peter king says a pledge is good at the time you sign it. in 1941 i would have voted to declare war on japan. but each congress is a new congress and you can't have a rule that you're never going to raise or lower taxes. i don't want to rule anything out. senator of georgia said, i'm frankly not concerned about the norquist pledge. senator john mccain said fewer and fewer people are signing this "pledge." it's actually a pledge, but any way. senator coburn called it "a tortured vision of tax purity." and it did you want end there in that article. bill crystal said this. >> let's have a serious debate. don't scream and yell when one person says, it won't kill the country if we raise taxes on millionaires. i don't understand why republicans don't take obama's offer. >> a calmist at the national review wrote, as a matter of political strategy not to say survival, republicans will have to agree to raise taxes on those defined as rich. republicans must also contend with the pew poll that asked who would be more to blame if a deal were not reached
peter king says a pledge is good at the time you sign it. in 1941 i would have voted to declare war on japan. but each congress is a new congress and you can't have a rule that you're never going to raise or lower taxes. i don't want to rule anything out. senator of georgia said, i'm frankly not concerned about the norquist pledge. senator john mccain said fewer and fewer people are signing this "pledge." it's actually a pledge, but any way. senator coburn called it "a tortured...
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. >> the pledge is not for life, but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the same thing with other people who are elected because they made that written commitment to the people of their state. >> that sounds like a threat. >> why does he keep making this romantic sexual thing? >> don't make it sexual! >> impure thoughts? romance and marriage? >> he's really sad. he's a little heartbroken here. he's had a lot of his life in this sacred oath, and they're discarding it like it was nothing. dan, two grover's point, you know, are those republicans having just impure thoughts as he put it, or are they willing to move away from the pledge and actually when it comes down to it not just increase revenues through closing loopholes but increase the rates? >> this is the reason why we shoul
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king didn't invent that. >> that's something that grover was rebuffed. you can opt out. >> once you're in, that's it. >> yes. >> but look, the big good news for progressives here, there are two fundamental values that have driven the economic conversation for republicans in this era. one is deficit is the biggest problem. here we are with the cliff, the curve, whatever you want to call it and what do we find out? even republicans are warning they don't want to go over the cliff because guess what? just cutting the deficit without any regard to the rest of our priorities is a bad idea. it happens to be the heart of republican economic policy and the other thing about never raising taxes, guess what? we don't have the gdp to seniors ratio than we did 20 years ago, so if we're going to be serious about an ageing population, it means you can't stick to these fantasies. >> i remember two years ago on the show, introducing him to the audience and explaining he's the most powerful republican in government and i had to do this long thing on who he is. and now, h
king didn't invent that. >> that's something that grover was rebuffed. you can opt out. >> once you're in, that's it. >> yes. >> but look, the big good news for progressives here, there are two fundamental values that have driven the economic conversation for republicans in this era. one is deficit is the biggest problem. here we are with the cliff, the curve, whatever you want to call it and what do we find out? even republicans are warning they don't want to go over...
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now, here's peter king from this morning. >> i myself am opposed to tax increases. they are going to be in a room trying to find the best prackag. we should not be making iron clad positions. so far he's pretty conciliatory in his language. >> so pretty hopeful as the clock particulars towards january 1st and the fiscal cliff, some call it a fiscal slope, some people are talking about it as a way to force people to really come to the table and there's one things that republicans are insisting on that they say they are opened to and that is entitlement reform. alex? >> okay. mike viquera at the white house. joining me is andy sullivan. thank you for being back. eleanor, i'll start with you. let's listen to dick durbin and lindsey graham today. >> okay. >> there's a bipartisan bill passed by the senate that will spare 98% of taxpayers across america from any income tax raises and 90% of the businesses. it's a bipartisan bill the house should pass to make sure we go forward with these negotiations without this specter of tax increases for working families. >> i'm willi
now, here's peter king from this morning. >> i myself am opposed to tax increases. they are going to be in a room trying to find the best prackag. we should not be making iron clad positions. so far he's pretty conciliatory in his language. >> so pretty hopeful as the clock particulars towards january 1st and the fiscal cliff, some call it a fiscal slope, some people are talking about it as a way to force people to really come to the table and there's one things that republicans are...
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lindsey graham peter king. they are all friends of ours. they are walk ago way from the pledge. i don't see what this hysteria. i can't pick up a newspaper and not see anybody blamie inine ii. this is ignoring any issues. i don't understand how the media plays this game. we made a commitment to the base that elected us. we said to the voters we will keep taxes low and not increase taxes. how dare anyone else keep us to the promises that got us ele elected. that the moment these people are are primed. they are going to be reaganites. the moment that they are challenged. >> i can tell you this. not one drop of revenue should be put on the table until we have massive across the board spending reductions and entitlement reform. that is what is missing. the gop should stand up and say not one drop of revenue until you show me good faith with the spending reduction you all talk about except when it comes time to do something about it. and step b is that the small business community should say not one pens penny until i know you are not going to screw me. >> a quiz. well the answer is
lindsey graham peter king. they are all friends of ours. they are walk ago way from the pledge. i don't see what this hysteria. i can't pick up a newspaper and not see anybody blamie inine ii. this is ignoring any issues. i don't understand how the media plays this game. we made a commitment to the base that elected us. we said to the voters we will keep taxes low and not increase taxes. how dare anyone else keep us to the promises that got us ele elected. that the moment these people are are...
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everybody who signed the pledge including peter king, who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> eliot: warren buffett continued to be the pragmatic voice of the majority. >> i think there is a general feeling among the american public certainly and even among many in congress that the rich like me have been getting away with low tax rates and it is time to make the tax rates more progressive. >> eliot: for more on the fiscal cliff negotiations, i'm joined by congressman peter welch, democrat from vermont. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> eliot: what should the deal look like? all of the chatter, smoke and mirrors, what is the deal you would like to see? >> well, first of all, i do believe the middle class has a stake and a good, solid balanced, deficit reduction plan. the plan should be what the president campaigned on, namely balance. that means we've got to have a substantial contribution from revenues. the revenues have to come from the folk
everybody who signed the pledge including peter king, who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than two years or something. >> eliot: warren buffett continued to be the pragmatic voice of the majority. >> i think there is a general feeling among the american public certainly and even among many in congress that the rich like me have been getting away with low tax rates and it is time...
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that pledge to look for new ways to generate revenue republican congressman peter king said bluntly, he is not ruling anything out. >> i agree entirely. a pledge to sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago. i think everything should be on the table. lou: two of the senator's not only reversing themselves on raising taxes but also rethinking their opposition to a susan rice secretary of state apartment. senators gramm and mccain both revising their political positis in a bit -- at a breathtaking pace. joining a summer we are calling the republican reset, the fiscal cliff, of course, and the coup in egypt, the president seemingly in search of a campgn. after a long holiday weekend, does anyone remember been gauzy? to find out, we are joined by of and the daily column founder and editor cockies contributor. thank you. let's start with republican party. is that o strong a word? in disarray. >> i think disarray is a little strong right now. we will see. it is one thing to talk about these issues so far in advance. in terms of the norquist tax pledge and certainly the susan rice, these are noises t
that pledge to look for new ways to generate revenue republican congressman peter king said bluntly, he is not ruling anything out. >> i agree entirely. a pledge to sign 20 years ago, 18 years ago. i think everything should be on the table. lou: two of the senator's not only reversing themselves on raising taxes but also rethinking their opposition to a susan rice secretary of state apartment. senators gramm and mccain both revising their political positis in a bit -- at a breathtaking...
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peter king said this two years ago, lindsey graham said this two years ago. chamblis of georgia said this two years ago. they said all these things all during the negotiations where they tried to undermine where john boehner and mitch mcconnell got 2.5 trillion in spending cuts without a dollar than tax increase and those people who are out there trying to offer tax increases undermining the rest of the republican party, undermining taxpayers and not keeping their word to the constituents who elected them. the same people are making comments now. bill: i think a lot of people on the right are not going to argue with you when they see $16 trillion in debt it just blows their minds and they think all the money that goes to washington it's not coming back home. it will only be spent and taken into a deeper hole. we have a new reality now, the wall street journel has an editorial today, it argues, let speaker john boehner debate the tax reform idea as long as he can to mitigate the damage that would come from democrats in the first place. why not allow that? >> w
peter king said this two years ago, lindsey graham said this two years ago. chamblis of georgia said this two years ago. they said all these things all during the negotiations where they tried to undermine where john boehner and mitch mcconnell got 2.5 trillion in spending cuts without a dollar than tax increase and those people who are out there trying to offer tax increases undermining the rest of the republican party, undermining taxpayers and not keeping their word to the constituents who...
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you know, peter king. nice guy, good guy. i don't know he is -- how many divisions does peter king have? i don't know. >> part of this, the republican party has not developed an alternative idea set other than what they were campaigning on. is it their opening negotiation position. >> bret: we will follow every step. next up, update on the political turmoil in egypt and the administration's response. [ whistle blows ] hi victor! mom? i know you got to go in a minute but this is a real quick me, that's perfect for two! campbell's chunky beef with country vegetables, poured over rice! [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. this monday online only. get the droid razr by motorola in cranberry, free. or a white 7-inch samsung gaxy tab 2, just $99.99. this holiday, get the best deals on the best devices on the best network. exclusively at verizon. >>> are you concerned or critical? >> the policy is a pour choice of words. >> what is important here is that the transition to democracy will be achieved by th
you know, peter king. nice guy, good guy. i don't know he is -- how many divisions does peter king have? i don't know. >> part of this, the republican party has not developed an alternative idea set other than what they were campaigning on. is it their opening negotiation position. >> bret: we will follow every step. next up, update on the political turmoil in egypt and the administration's response. [ whistle blows ] hi victor! mom? i know you got to go in a minute but this is a...
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peter king who was here, we were talking in the green room. democrat, republican, steve israel, further out, we have to work together. governor comeau and governor christie. this is not a democrat or republican issue. this is an american issue. we come together and make sure that our citizens survive. i think you'll see us go in with a unified voice trying to say that we have to have the funds appropriated that are necessary to help people to get back on their feet. governor comeau is having a meeting tomorrow, for example, with all of those who are affected in new york. all of the elected so we can try to come together and speak with one voice. i think that is important. and i think that we can do that in a bipartisan manner because all of us have been affected. >> congressman meeks, good to see you. thank you for sharing your photos and the experiences and of course our best to everybody in your district as we continue to check in on them. thank you very much. to check in on them. thank you very much. >>> we wiuse nyquil d... [ ding! ] ...an
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on japan. >> i know. >> it's not just peter king on the taxes. it's a big step, don't you think? >> it's a big step. >> grover. yeah, grover's taking a big hit since the election. there's no doubt about it. i think john, you'd verify this. number of republicans, i've talked to a couple of united states senators who said there's at least 10 to 12 republican senators who are willing to walk away from grover norquist on the tax pledge. >> it's breaking out all over. sanity is contagious. >> now, the question is, is the president going to stay where he is and go, you know what? we're going to do it my way or no other way? we're going to raise it to 90 -- to 39.6%. steve rattner had a great column yesterday. >> it's a must-read. >> you know there's more than one way to skin a cat, more than one way to raise over a trillion dollars in revenues. it doesn't just have to be the president's way. is the white house going to insist on the 39.6% tax rate, or will they consider the loophole part of it plus capital gains, plus a couple of other things? >> well,
on japan. >> i know. >> it's not just peter king on the taxes. it's a big step, don't you think? >> it's a big step. >> grover. yeah, grover's taking a big hit since the election. there's no doubt about it. i think john, you'd verify this. number of republicans, i've talked to a couple of united states senators who said there's at least 10 to 12 republican senators who are willing to walk away from grover norquist on the tax pledge. >> it's breaking out all over....
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peter king knows -- congressman peter king of new york noknows full well the pledge he signed and others, it's for while you're in congress, not a two-year period. >> it sounded to me he was sort of saying you have to re-up it for it to be legal or whatever the right word is. >> first of all, it's explained to everyone when they sign, it's in writing with them when they sign that it's a commitment while you're in -- while you're in the house or while you're in the senate. you run for a different office, you take it again. and so the congressman from ohio is leaving -- it doesn't pass the laugh test. that's an odd position. if you want to go to your voters and say i promised you this and i'm breaking my promise, you can have that conversation with them. but you don't have an argument with me. you've made a commitment to your voters. >> but it is, to some degree, i know you like to sort of step back and act as if that you don't really have that much to do with the pledge. but the pledge does come from you. i've read a lot. last week when we were talking you sort of said the same thing. we'
peter king knows -- congressman peter king of new york noknows full well the pledge he signed and others, it's for while you're in congress, not a two-year period. >> it sounded to me he was sort of saying you have to re-up it for it to be legal or whatever the right word is. >> first of all, it's explained to everyone when they sign, it's in writing with them when they sign that it's a commitment while you're in -- while you're in the house or while you're in the senate. you run...
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king, they're willing to break the grover norquist pledge and consider new revenue. is this really anything new? >> no. all right. next question? first of all they're not saying anything new first of all. they're not saying we're willing to talk about rates -- >> bill: in fact they're saying they'll vote against rates -- getting rid of the bush tax cuts. >> this is not a change in policy at all. that's number one. number two these are -- senate republicans who don't have a lot of influence in this particular subject area. they're not the most -- they're not the biggest players. third, they're senate republicans. we need house republicans to change their minds. so i said this in my blog yesterday, this is not as significant as it seems and all of those who made such a big deal about it over the weekend are missing the key point. it is not a change in policy and two, look who it is. it is not that important. when i see some tea party switching and eric cantor saying we need some rate change, then you'll know something serious has changed. >> bill: stan's blog is capita
king, they're willing to break the grover norquist pledge and consider new revenue. is this really anything new? >> no. all right. next question? first of all they're not saying anything new first of all. they're not saying we're willing to talk about rates -- >> bill: in fact they're saying they'll vote against rates -- getting rid of the bush tax cuts. >> this is not a change in policy at all. that's number one. number two these are -- senate republicans who don't have a lot...
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but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> and zoraida, there you have grover norquist -- >> weeks. >> -- of course, from the americans for tax reform throwing out some pretty strong political hyperbole. but the fact of the matter is, as you said, fiscal cliff, 35 days away, and as we've heard from a lot of economists, if congress can't fix this, then we're in a lot of trouble. we can be heading back into recession. >> mark preston live in washington, d.c. thank you for that. so even if democrats and republicans get a spending deal done in time to steer clear of the fiscal cliff, derer thompson says it won't necessarily cure the economy. the senior editor of "the atlantic" joins us live in the next half hour. he has an interesting perspective. >>> ambassador susan rice heads to capitol hill this morning to mend fences with three republican senators. john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly
but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> and zoraida, there you have grover norquist -- >> weeks. >> -- of course, from the americans for tax reform throwing out some pretty strong political hyperbole. but the fact of the matter is, as you said, fiscal cliff, 35 days away, and...
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we did hear from peter king, a congressman. no many house members are running to the microphones to renounce grover norquist's tax pledge. isn't that where we're going to have the most trouble, will? >> yeah. you definitely have the most trouble in the house of representatives. look, republicans are still dedicated to a low tax principle. they still want to achieve that. the problem is i used to own businesses, carol. i used to buy and sell newspapers. i didn't get to tidictate the price. >> i think you in your passionate hand gesture you knocked your microphone off. >> did i really? you just missed genius. you missed genius. >> i was so eager to hear what you were saying. >> i've got to quit gesticulating so much. >> you're not even -- >> will cain, jason johnson, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. >>> actor morgan freeman is putting his voice behind a new ad touting the election day victories in three states to legalize same-sex marriage. >> freedom, justice and human dignity have always guided our journey toward
we did hear from peter king, a congressman. no many house members are running to the microphones to renounce grover norquist's tax pledge. isn't that where we're going to have the most trouble, will? >> yeah. you definitely have the most trouble in the house of representatives. look, republicans are still dedicated to a low tax principle. they still want to achieve that. the problem is i used to own businesses, carol. i used to buy and sell newspapers. i didn't get to tidictate the price....
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lindsey graham, saxby chambliss, bob corker and peter king, they've said they're willing to compromise and consider revenue increases to avoid the fiscal clifft. their shift in position has grover norquist vowing to help unseat any republican who breaks his taxpayer protection pledge. the question tonight is whether this is a larger trend or whether republicans are just testing the waters and two men who know about testing the waters, politicking and actually meaning what you say join me now. david frum and james carville, you have been on every side of this. let me start with you though david. republicans talking about raising revenue by closing loopholes. you can get a heck of a lot of revenue that way. is this smart for them r or not? >> republicans are going to be yielding grown, but they have to avoid it under pressure. president has a strong hand. they have to keep their party together. frankly, i think loopholes are the -- so-called loopholes, deductions for home mortgage, at this point, the wrong place to look for new revenue. the place is look is with different kinds of tax s.
lindsey graham, saxby chambliss, bob corker and peter king, they've said they're willing to compromise and consider revenue increases to avoid the fiscal clifft. their shift in position has grover norquist vowing to help unseat any republican who breaks his taxpayer protection pledge. the question tonight is whether this is a larger trend or whether republicans are just testing the waters and two men who know about testing the waters, politicking and actually meaning what you say join me now....
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because we have seen in the last few days, saxby chambliss lindsey graham, peter king, bob corker is the other one who said we're not bound by this. we don't feel we're bound by this pledge anymore. chuck schumer yesterday dan indicating that this -- he sees this as a good sign. >> republicans in both the house and senate are deciding they no longer want to be married to this pledge. republicans are saying they want a divorce from grover norquist. that alone is a leading indicator that the fiscal deal is within reach. both sides are still far apart. the discussions over the next few weeks will be difficult but with each new republican disavowing grover norquist, the chances of a deal rises sharply. >> bill: daniella, is grover over? >> oh, please, lord, let it be true! you know, i think so. there was a funny thing politico arena they ask these questions every day. one of the questions a couple of days ago was is grover norquist's reign over. the first person who responded was grover norquist. no. republicans are -- blah, blah, blah. >> bill: he says his pledge is the same as your maj
because we have seen in the last few days, saxby chambliss lindsey graham, peter king, bob corker is the other one who said we're not bound by this. we don't feel we're bound by this pledge anymore. chuck schumer yesterday dan indicating that this -- he sees this as a good sign. >> republicans in both the house and senate are deciding they no longer want to be married to this pledge. republicans are saying they want a divorce from grover norquist. that alone is a leading indicator that...
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so other republicans did not listen to peter king or these others. >> and this guy is a political lone shark. the majority of americans want to see tax rates go up on the rich but will norquist convince enough republicans it's better to dig in their heels than to reach a compromise? tom coburn is the republican senator from oklahoma and joe klein is a columnist for "time." senator, i don't want to abuse your presence. my children think you're the greatest. i have a couple kids, one who worked on the debt commission and another one who just loves you for some reason. let's find out why. it seems to me if you look at the numbers, just arithmetic here, right now the government is taking in 15.7% of the gdp in the current fiscal year and spending 22.9% of the gdp. common sense tells us if we're going to get to 20, it seems like getting maybe to 20 maybe some liberals want to bid more, conservatives want to bid less. you have to come in both directions. your thoughts? >> i agree. the problem, chris, is we haven't had long-term thinkers in congress for a long time, and if you really look at
so other republicans did not listen to peter king or these others. >> and this guy is a political lone shark. the majority of americans want to see tax rates go up on the rich but will norquist convince enough republicans it's better to dig in their heels than to reach a compromise? tom coburn is the republican senator from oklahoma and joe klein is a columnist for "time." senator, i don't want to abuse your presence. my children think you're the greatest. i have a couple kids,...